1 00:00:02,420 --> 00:00:03,964 [indistinct chatter] 2 00:00:03,964 --> 00:00:05,257 [Naomi Campbell] Hi. 3 00:00:05,257 --> 00:00:07,551 I don't think I'm gonna be able to do it, because I'm at work. 4 00:00:07,551 --> 00:00:10,554 So, I don't think it's gonna happen today, for me. 5 00:00:10,554 --> 00:00:12,514 [people murmuring quietly] 6 00:00:12,514 --> 00:00:14,474 [man] This will be really easy to slip on. 7 00:00:14,975 --> 00:00:16,101 [woman] And the shoes works, I think. 8 00:00:16,101 --> 00:00:17,435 [Naomi] Yeah, so this one. Okay. 9 00:00:17,435 --> 00:00:20,063 - [woman] I prefer this one. - [Naomi] It's magic fabric, isn't it? 10 00:00:20,063 --> 00:00:22,107 [hairdresser] This is perfect, look. And the shining is perfect. 11 00:00:25,193 --> 00:00:27,612 [Cindy Crawford] Well, people always, they're like, "You look just like Kaia." 12 00:00:27,612 --> 00:00:29,281 - I'm like, no she looks like me. - [woman 2] Exactly. 13 00:00:29,281 --> 00:00:31,074 - She looks like you. Come on. - [Cindy] I had it first. 14 00:00:31,074 --> 00:00:32,409 [woman 2] Yeah, exactly. 15 00:00:35,328 --> 00:00:37,038 I think it might be Dior. 16 00:00:37,038 --> 00:00:39,332 - From New York Vintage. - [gasps] 17 00:00:39,332 --> 00:00:40,542 - [man] Chic, right? - [Linda Evangelista] So chic. 18 00:00:40,542 --> 00:00:42,961 [woman 3] I heard you wanted maybe company, Linda. 19 00:00:42,961 --> 00:00:44,546 [Linda] Yeah, now they came to fit. 20 00:00:44,546 --> 00:00:46,631 [woman 3] Okay, when you're-- When you're done... 21 00:00:47,132 --> 00:00:49,759 [man 2] Oh, my God. This feel so nineties, this camera. 22 00:00:50,427 --> 00:00:53,513 - Where did this come from? - [printer whirring] 23 00:01:12,407 --> 00:01:15,785 [interviewer] How do you define the word, "supermodel"? 24 00:01:16,328 --> 00:01:17,579 I don't. [laughs] 25 00:01:18,955 --> 00:01:23,043 {\an8}I like to be simple about things, like call a spade a spade. 26 00:01:23,043 --> 00:01:24,544 Model, a model. 27 00:01:26,671 --> 00:01:29,841 Christy's, like, the most beautiful. 28 00:01:31,426 --> 00:01:33,136 Was never a dream, I never really thought about it. 29 00:01:33,136 --> 00:01:36,765 It just sort of happened, and then it became much bigger than I ever expected. 30 00:01:37,515 --> 00:01:39,351 She's a classic beauty. 31 00:01:41,478 --> 00:01:45,148 You see our photo, our image, 32 00:01:45,148 --> 00:01:47,275 so you feel that you know us. 33 00:01:49,236 --> 00:01:52,280 {\an8}But there's no words that go with our pictures. 34 00:01:53,823 --> 00:01:57,035 {\an8}People only just see this part of us, they don't know what we're like inside, 35 00:01:57,035 --> 00:01:59,996 and they have a whole different idea of what we are. 36 00:02:01,706 --> 00:02:03,291 [Linda] Naomi... 37 00:02:03,875 --> 00:02:08,754 ...is like this fierce goddess. 38 00:02:10,006 --> 00:02:13,593 [Cindy] We were the physical representations of power. 39 00:02:13,593 --> 00:02:15,428 Like, we looked like strong women. 40 00:02:17,556 --> 00:02:21,393 {\an8}And we would look in the mirror and we started believing that. 41 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:25,063 I mean, I was ambitious, I wanted to do something, 42 00:02:25,063 --> 00:02:27,816 I wanted to make my mark, but I didn't know doing what, 43 00:02:27,816 --> 00:02:30,026 so I guess I got my chance. 44 00:02:31,403 --> 00:02:33,947 Cindy was the all-American girl. 45 00:02:36,116 --> 00:02:41,121 I think she was one of the first to really start to plan for a future 46 00:02:41,121 --> 00:02:44,207 that she would have more of a voice in. 47 00:02:46,459 --> 00:02:51,590 You know when your dream comes true, and then you get to do it over and over. 48 00:02:58,597 --> 00:02:59,931 [Christy Turlington] Linda's a chameleon. 49 00:03:00,724 --> 00:03:03,351 [Cindy] She could really become whatever 50 00:03:03,351 --> 00:03:05,770 the photographer wanted her to become. 51 00:03:12,736 --> 00:03:15,864 I dreamt of being a model, I wasn't discovered. 52 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:19,284 I chose. 53 00:03:26,082 --> 00:03:29,377 [Naomi] We had to earn our stripes and take our stepping stones. 54 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:30,962 [people cheering] 55 00:03:30,962 --> 00:03:33,965 It was insane, like, we're not The Beatles. 56 00:03:41,681 --> 00:03:44,643 {\an8}[Christy] In 50 years time, I'll think of it as a very good experience 57 00:03:44,643 --> 00:03:46,436 {\an8}and most of my friends, I'm sure, I will keep. 58 00:03:47,812 --> 00:03:49,272 This is my class. 59 00:03:49,773 --> 00:03:51,983 This is the group that I came of age with. 60 00:03:54,444 --> 00:03:57,197 [Cindy] That's what a supermodel is. [laughs] 61 00:04:11,962 --> 00:04:13,046 [car horn blaring] 62 00:04:15,966 --> 00:04:17,591 [Christy chattering, indistinct] 63 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,052 [both exclaiming] 64 00:04:19,052 --> 00:04:20,720 - [Linda] It looks so big. Hi. - [Christy] Hi. 65 00:04:21,221 --> 00:04:23,139 - [Linda] Hello. - [laughter] 66 00:04:23,598 --> 00:04:26,476 {\an8}- [Arthur Elgort] Hello. Hello. - [Christy] Hello. 67 00:04:26,476 --> 00:04:29,020 {\an8}- How are you? - Hello. Well, good enough. 68 00:04:29,688 --> 00:04:31,815 [Christy] You used to have all the records in this back room here. 69 00:04:31,815 --> 00:04:32,774 [Elgort] Yeah, yeah. 70 00:04:33,108 --> 00:04:35,277 - [Christy] Are they upstairs now? - [Elgort] I guess so. 71 00:04:39,114 --> 00:04:40,198 Careful. 72 00:04:40,198 --> 00:04:43,159 - So, now, Linda, you're here. - Next to her? 73 00:04:43,159 --> 00:04:46,580 [Elgort] Yeah. You can do backsies. Right. 74 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:50,250 - Come closer. - Closer than this? 75 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:51,626 [Elgort] Okay, now... 76 00:04:52,919 --> 00:04:54,796 I think you're ready to model again. 77 00:04:56,715 --> 00:04:58,508 You haven't changed. 78 00:05:00,010 --> 00:05:02,846 - Now, we... that's very good. - Okay, I have to lift you, Turly. 79 00:05:02,846 --> 00:05:04,598 - Okay. - [Elgort] No... Yeah, do that. 80 00:05:04,598 --> 00:05:08,268 - Did you lift me, or I lifted you? - I think I'm doing... 81 00:05:08,268 --> 00:05:09,603 [Linda] Yeah, I can't, though. 82 00:05:09,603 --> 00:05:10,896 Okay, sorry. I don't wanna break her. 83 00:05:10,896 --> 00:05:12,022 - I really don't. - Here we go. 84 00:05:12,022 --> 00:05:14,149 - [Elgort] You can come closer, by the way. - I don't wanna break you this way either. 85 00:05:14,149 --> 00:05:15,483 [Elgort] Could you come closer? 86 00:05:15,483 --> 00:05:18,904 - Oh, to-- Closer to you? - [Elgort] Keep going. Keep going. 87 00:05:18,904 --> 00:05:21,323 Now stop. Yeah, that's it. 88 00:05:21,323 --> 00:05:22,574 Okay. 89 00:05:22,574 --> 00:05:24,284 [laughs] 90 00:05:25,911 --> 00:05:26,828 [Elgort] Good. Good. 91 00:05:26,828 --> 00:05:29,456 Ready? I'm gonna lift you. Ready? One, two, three. 92 00:05:31,291 --> 00:05:32,459 [both shriek] 93 00:05:32,459 --> 00:05:33,919 [Elgort] Oh, God! 94 00:05:35,128 --> 00:05:37,881 - Do it again because I missed it. - You're gonna need a massage after this. 95 00:05:38,632 --> 00:05:40,383 - One, two, three. - Okay. 96 00:05:40,926 --> 00:05:41,927 [both shriek] 97 00:05:43,803 --> 00:05:46,890 ["Notorious" by Duran Duran playing] 98 00:05:50,727 --> 00:05:53,605 [Christy] I was really young when I started working. 99 00:05:56,358 --> 00:06:00,737 The only thing I'd done before modelling was babysit and clean stalls. 100 00:06:02,239 --> 00:06:06,243 As a teenager, I just remember that feeling of being in the suburbs 101 00:06:06,243 --> 00:06:08,536 and going to school every day thinking, like, 102 00:06:08,536 --> 00:06:11,039 there's gotta be something better out there than this. 103 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:13,458 [song continues] 104 00:06:17,045 --> 00:06:19,839 My mother is from Central America, she's from El Salvador. 105 00:06:20,757 --> 00:06:24,844 And she and my father met on a flight, 106 00:06:24,844 --> 00:06:27,847 because my mother was a flight attendant for Pan Am 107 00:06:27,847 --> 00:06:31,977 and my dad was a pilot, was from Northern California. 108 00:06:31,977 --> 00:06:37,148 And so, um, we ended up settling in the Bay Area because of that, really. 109 00:06:37,983 --> 00:06:42,821 My dad did not believe in spending money on things like clothing. 110 00:06:42,821 --> 00:06:44,864 [song ends] 111 00:06:44,864 --> 00:06:47,576 He heard us talking about, like, designer jeans 112 00:06:47,576 --> 00:06:49,536 and then he would take a trip to Asia 113 00:06:49,536 --> 00:06:53,248 and come back with, like, counterfeit Calvin Klein jeans 114 00:06:53,248 --> 00:06:55,500 and think that we would be so excited to have the brand, 115 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:59,087 and we were, like, "These aren't real, Dad." 116 00:06:59,087 --> 00:07:01,381 [birds twittering] 117 00:07:03,884 --> 00:07:07,888 When I was about 14, I was at the stable after school. 118 00:07:07,888 --> 00:07:10,807 And at the barn, there was a photographer. 119 00:07:10,807 --> 00:07:14,978 He walked over to my mom, and he asked her 120 00:07:14,978 --> 00:07:18,148 if, you know, we had ever thought about modeling. 121 00:07:18,148 --> 00:07:20,191 And my mom said no. 122 00:07:20,191 --> 00:07:22,319 Um, but I think she was intrigued. [laughs] 123 00:07:25,155 --> 00:07:29,784 My mom brought us to meet this agent, and she kind of looked at my sister and I, 124 00:07:29,784 --> 00:07:32,829 sort of sizing us up, and then she said to my sister, 125 00:07:32,829 --> 00:07:35,248 "You're too little," like, "you're not gonna work. 126 00:07:35,248 --> 00:07:40,712 But you, you can probably work, and let's see what we can do with you." 127 00:07:40,712 --> 00:07:43,798 And my sister was devastated. [laughs] 128 00:07:47,302 --> 00:07:49,721 So, when I was in school and starting to model, 129 00:07:49,721 --> 00:07:53,016 I think I probably shared that with just really close friends. 130 00:07:53,016 --> 00:07:56,353 I didn't really talk about it too openly. 131 00:07:56,353 --> 00:08:02,025 You know, to be 15 years old modeling bridal dresses is kind of funny. 132 00:08:05,195 --> 00:08:07,197 Sometimes I would say yes to a job, 133 00:08:07,197 --> 00:08:09,783 and then of course I didn't even want to do that job if I had 134 00:08:09,783 --> 00:08:13,161 a more promising or fun thing to do with my friends. 135 00:08:13,161 --> 00:08:15,914 So, I remember there were a few times when my dad was driving me to something 136 00:08:15,914 --> 00:08:18,458 and saying, you know, "Well, you made a commitment, 137 00:08:18,458 --> 00:08:20,502 and this is what you have to do." 138 00:08:22,087 --> 00:08:25,549 Modeling was not cool at all, except that I had money. 139 00:08:26,424 --> 00:08:32,222 That gave me, uh, a lot of independence right out of the gate, just based on that. 140 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:36,308 {\an8}My next guest began her own modeling agency 24 years ago, 141 00:08:36,308 --> 00:08:38,061 {\an8}and it's now the biggest one in the world. 142 00:08:38,061 --> 00:08:40,145 Will you welcome, please, Eileen Ford? 143 00:08:42,941 --> 00:08:45,902 {\an8}Can a lady survive without being in your favor in modeling, 144 00:08:45,902 --> 00:08:47,696 {\an8}since you are the most powerful, certainly. 145 00:08:47,696 --> 00:08:50,865 {\an8}That's not a very feminine word, but let's face it, you are powerful. 146 00:08:50,865 --> 00:08:53,493 We do a lot more of the work than anybody else, 147 00:08:53,493 --> 00:08:57,205 and we get more of the cream of the work than anybody else. 148 00:08:58,164 --> 00:09:01,459 [Christy] I was probably 15 when I met the Fords. 149 00:09:07,299 --> 00:09:08,967 When I came to New York... 150 00:09:10,594 --> 00:09:15,348 ...the Fords live in this big townhouse on East 78th Street and Lex. 151 00:09:15,348 --> 00:09:17,684 And then it was dormitory style. 152 00:09:17,684 --> 00:09:22,063 And my mom was planning on going home and letting me stay on my own. 153 00:09:22,063 --> 00:09:24,941 I think everybody was there for a week or two. 154 00:09:24,941 --> 00:09:27,736 There was, like a... a cycle, a constant cycle. 155 00:09:27,736 --> 00:09:30,030 [distant siren wailing] 156 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:32,866 If you went on a casting or on a go-see, they call it, 157 00:09:32,866 --> 00:09:35,619 you'd have, like, your list of appointments. 158 00:09:36,661 --> 00:09:39,039 And then you can have somebody just with your portfolio, 159 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:42,626 open it and close it and then just, like, send you off on your way. 160 00:09:42,626 --> 00:09:45,670 - [traffic humming] - [whistle blowing] 161 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:50,508 On one of my castings, the sittings editor said to me, 162 00:09:50,508 --> 00:09:53,637 "Hey, I want to send you down to Arthur Elgort's studio." 163 00:09:53,637 --> 00:09:56,806 And that's sort of like when everything changed. 164 00:10:01,895 --> 00:10:05,857 {\an8}I just knew that this is gonna be a star. 165 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:11,363 [Christy] Arthur's style is very much, you know, 166 00:10:11,363 --> 00:10:15,033 where you're always in motion and always in action and not super stylized, 167 00:10:15,033 --> 00:10:17,035 just very kind of free. 168 00:10:17,577 --> 00:10:19,788 He photographed a lot of dancers and musicians. 169 00:10:22,249 --> 00:10:26,044 He taught me a lot about, like, how to be comfortable in front of a camera 170 00:10:26,044 --> 00:10:29,464 and, like, move and what to do with my hands. 171 00:10:30,090 --> 00:10:31,675 [Elgort] I called the booker. 172 00:10:31,675 --> 00:10:38,181 I said, "I have a job coming up for Vogue magazine, and I want Christy." 173 00:10:38,181 --> 00:10:42,936 And it was funny at the time because the booker said, 174 00:10:42,936 --> 00:10:45,605 "Oh, you think Christy's good? We have better." 175 00:10:45,605 --> 00:10:49,526 I said, "You've done your part. I'll stick with Christy anyway." 176 00:10:54,573 --> 00:10:58,743 [Elgort] Now, this is the first picture I took of Linda. 177 00:10:59,536 --> 00:11:01,955 - This picture. - The first one? 178 00:11:01,955 --> 00:11:04,916 Yes, yes. You remember it? 179 00:11:04,916 --> 00:11:07,085 - [Linda] I do remember. - [Christy] Was it in Paris or here? 180 00:11:07,085 --> 00:11:08,962 [Elgort] No. In Paris. 181 00:11:08,962 --> 00:11:11,631 Now, this one, you remember that? 182 00:11:11,631 --> 00:11:14,134 It was raining out. Here. 183 00:11:14,134 --> 00:11:15,635 [Linda] Did I do that many times or just once? 184 00:11:15,635 --> 00:11:18,805 - No, no. Twice. - Twice I did it? 185 00:11:18,805 --> 00:11:21,391 [Elgort] And you said, "I know what to do," 186 00:11:21,391 --> 00:11:24,644 so I just made sure I was in focus, 187 00:11:24,644 --> 00:11:27,606 - and she did that. - [laughs] You always were. 188 00:11:27,606 --> 00:11:30,191 - No, not recently. - We always got a picture. 189 00:11:31,776 --> 00:11:34,571 Oh, Cindy... That's a gorgeous one. 190 00:11:35,155 --> 00:11:36,823 [Christy] I feel like I remember that one, too. 191 00:11:37,407 --> 00:11:40,201 - There's baby 'Omi. - [Christy] For the Azzedine book. 192 00:11:40,201 --> 00:11:43,288 [Elgort] Now, I haven't seen Naomi in years. 193 00:11:44,623 --> 00:11:46,166 - No... - Does she look the same? 194 00:11:46,875 --> 00:11:49,169 - Oh, uh, better. - Better? 195 00:11:49,169 --> 00:11:52,088 [Linda laughs] She just gets better and better. 196 00:11:52,088 --> 00:11:56,259 [Christy] After that first photoshoot with Arthur, I went to London. 197 00:11:57,177 --> 00:12:00,889 Went straight to the studio, and then Naomi came in. 198 00:12:00,889 --> 00:12:04,100 ["Wham Rap '86" by Wham! playing] 199 00:12:04,517 --> 00:12:09,773 She was, like, not in her school uniform, but she was basically also in school, 200 00:12:09,773 --> 00:12:13,151 and, you know, just super excited to be there. 201 00:12:13,151 --> 00:12:14,110 Just adorable. 202 00:12:14,110 --> 00:12:18,573 When I first met Christy, she was so kind, and we had such a great shoot. 203 00:12:18,573 --> 00:12:21,284 I didn't want it to end. It didn't feel like work. 204 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,585 We were playing Wham!, I remember. 205 00:12:34,965 --> 00:12:37,551 [Christy] We'd just be dancing and dancing and hanging out, 206 00:12:37,551 --> 00:12:38,927 having such a good time. 207 00:12:39,928 --> 00:12:42,472 After a few days and just the hours they had us there, 208 00:12:42,472 --> 00:12:44,266 you know, you just get to be sort of delirious. 209 00:12:44,266 --> 00:12:46,560 [song continues] 210 00:12:47,769 --> 00:12:50,814 From that moment on, Naomi and I stayed close. 211 00:12:52,983 --> 00:12:54,442 [song fades] 212 00:13:00,615 --> 00:13:02,242 [motor stops] 213 00:13:11,751 --> 00:13:13,420 [Naomi] We done, we done, we done, we done, we done? 214 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:15,380 - [man] Waiting for me? - [laughter] 215 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:17,048 [Naomi] Okay, first outfit. 216 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:23,221 I know you-- I know you makeup artists love to put it with the lip brush, 217 00:13:23,221 --> 00:13:26,558 but I'm like, mm-mm. Straight up with the lipstick. 218 00:13:30,729 --> 00:13:31,646 - All right? - [woman] I love it. 219 00:13:31,646 --> 00:13:33,315 - Okay, cool. - [woman] Just a little? 220 00:13:33,315 --> 00:13:35,525 Okay. I don't know how many hours late I am, 221 00:13:35,525 --> 00:13:37,652 but I'll just knock out the pictures. 222 00:13:37,652 --> 00:13:39,195 [spray bottle squirting] 223 00:13:40,447 --> 00:13:41,615 [indistinct chatter, laughter] 224 00:13:41,615 --> 00:13:42,991 [Naomi] You know, let me tell you this. 225 00:13:42,991 --> 00:13:45,285 By the time this comes out, 226 00:13:45,285 --> 00:13:46,828 - I will not be smoking. - I hope not. 227 00:13:46,828 --> 00:13:49,539 I am stopping to smoke on the 31st of January, 228 00:13:49,539 --> 00:13:51,583 - and now this is documenting it... - You promise? 229 00:13:51,583 --> 00:13:53,543 ...so I'm gonna be held to my word. 230 00:13:53,543 --> 00:13:56,796 - I have to stop. I have to stop. - I'm gonna hold you to your word. 231 00:13:56,796 --> 00:13:58,632 Please. It's so bad for you, Naomi. 232 00:13:58,632 --> 00:14:01,426 - I know. It's terrible. - It's really bad. 233 00:14:01,426 --> 00:14:03,011 And none of the other three smoke. 234 00:14:03,011 --> 00:14:05,513 Linda doesn't smoke, Christy doesn't smoke and Cindy doesn't smoke. 235 00:14:13,188 --> 00:14:16,733 [Naomi] I've lived most of my life in front of a camera. 236 00:14:18,276 --> 00:14:20,570 I studied theater arts in London. 237 00:14:21,363 --> 00:14:23,156 Dance was my main thing. 238 00:14:23,657 --> 00:14:25,700 And that's all I wanted at that time... 239 00:14:26,368 --> 00:14:29,412 ...was to make it in theater arts, that was my focus. 240 00:14:31,498 --> 00:14:34,459 I'd tell my mum I have an audition, and my mum would say, 241 00:14:34,459 --> 00:14:36,670 "Okay, but how many kids do they want out of this audition?" 242 00:14:36,670 --> 00:14:38,171 Like, maybe six or seven. 243 00:14:38,171 --> 00:14:41,132 And we'd get to the audition, there'd be like 600 kids, 244 00:14:41,132 --> 00:14:44,052 and she'd be like, "Oh, my God, Naomi, I don't think you're gonna get this," 245 00:14:44,052 --> 00:14:46,513 and I'd be like, "Yes, I am. I'm getting it." 246 00:14:49,933 --> 00:14:52,102 {\an8}- What part do you want to read for? - Snow White. 247 00:14:52,102 --> 00:14:53,853 {\an8}We're not doing Snow White. We're doing Cinderella. 248 00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:55,105 Cinderella, then. 249 00:14:55,105 --> 00:14:56,606 You can be a footman if you like. 250 00:14:56,606 --> 00:14:57,816 - Okay. - What's your name? 251 00:14:57,816 --> 00:15:01,027 [Naomi] My mother did her best to put me in a place 252 00:15:01,027 --> 00:15:03,905 where I could study and learn and get educated. 253 00:15:06,074 --> 00:15:08,618 She sent me to this private school, 254 00:15:08,618 --> 00:15:13,415 and I was called the N-word when I was five. 255 00:15:16,001 --> 00:15:19,588 I wasn't gonna accept to be bullied at school for the color of my skin. 256 00:15:20,797 --> 00:15:23,800 My mother was paying my school fees just like everybody else. 257 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,387 I had every right to be there, so go take your bullying somewhere else. 258 00:15:27,387 --> 00:15:28,430 That's how I felt. 259 00:15:28,430 --> 00:15:30,932 {\an8}["Is This Love" by Bob Marley playing] 260 00:15:33,018 --> 00:15:36,646 {\an8}I remember Don Letts walking into my school and saying, 261 00:15:36,646 --> 00:15:39,149 "I need children for a Bob Marley video." 262 00:15:40,025 --> 00:15:41,568 Bob Marley's walking down the street 263 00:15:41,568 --> 00:15:43,278 holding a little girl's hand and a little boy's hand. 264 00:15:43,278 --> 00:15:44,571 I'm the little girl. 265 00:15:44,571 --> 00:15:46,489 [song continues] 266 00:15:49,743 --> 00:15:52,245 Bob Marley, for a Jamaican, was like a god. 267 00:15:53,246 --> 00:15:54,581 Couldn't believe it. 268 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:57,751 ["I'll Tumble 4 Ya" by Culture Club playing] 269 00:15:59,127 --> 00:16:00,837 {\an8}I was in a Culture Club video. 270 00:16:03,048 --> 00:16:06,259 I lived for Boy George. I lived for Culture Club. 271 00:16:06,259 --> 00:16:08,470 I thought Boy George was just like... 272 00:16:10,513 --> 00:16:13,350 He didn't care what people thought of him and how he dressed, 273 00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:16,519 and if he put on makeup, and if he was a boy in makeup, I loved it. 274 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,605 [song continues] 275 00:16:20,273 --> 00:16:23,485 In 1984, I didn't want to go home directly, 276 00:16:23,485 --> 00:16:28,448 so a bunch of my school friends and I stopped in this great, kind of, artsy area 277 00:16:28,448 --> 00:16:30,575 we have in London called Covent Garden. 278 00:16:32,994 --> 00:16:36,414 There was the square, music in the streets. 279 00:16:36,414 --> 00:16:38,208 There was always artsy things happening. 280 00:16:39,376 --> 00:16:44,172 American lady said to me did I model? 281 00:16:44,798 --> 00:16:47,676 I was a bit taken back because some of my school friends, 282 00:16:47,676 --> 00:16:50,512 like, had beautiful, long, silky golden hair, 283 00:16:50,512 --> 00:16:54,391 and there was me just like, you know, a little awkward in the sense of... 284 00:16:55,642 --> 00:16:59,396 I always wanted to shrink myself a little bit 'cause I felt like a little lanky. 285 00:17:01,398 --> 00:17:05,569 And so, I took the lady's card, and I didn't call her for weeks. 286 00:17:06,987 --> 00:17:10,239 And then I called her. Her name was Beth Boldt. 287 00:17:11,283 --> 00:17:14,660 She sent me on go-sees. 288 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:16,871 I had three pictures in my book. 289 00:17:18,247 --> 00:17:19,416 Gotta start somewhere. 290 00:17:22,043 --> 00:17:25,088 I did not know how to model. 291 00:17:25,088 --> 00:17:27,924 I didn't have money to buy fashion magazines. 292 00:17:28,675 --> 00:17:32,178 So, I used all the dance training I had, 293 00:17:32,178 --> 00:17:35,807 so jumping in the air, splits, you know, all of that stuff. 294 00:17:37,642 --> 00:17:40,937 Well, Martin Brading gave me a break. 295 00:17:42,564 --> 00:17:45,317 [Martin Brading] I started with her when she was 15. 296 00:17:45,317 --> 00:17:49,112 But she was old for her age in some ways. She was quite clever, smart. 297 00:17:49,696 --> 00:17:51,239 She knew what was going on. 298 00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:54,701 She liked having her photograph taken. You could feel that. 299 00:17:56,745 --> 00:18:00,040 [Naomi] At the time, modeling was kind of looked down on in my family. 300 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:04,753 My mother had no idea that I was doing any of it. 301 00:18:13,136 --> 00:18:15,430 [Cindy] He sells the pictures for charity, right? 302 00:18:17,057 --> 00:18:20,518 We want him to sell for the most amount of money possible. 303 00:18:20,518 --> 00:18:23,563 So, sometimes the more recognizable I am, 304 00:18:23,563 --> 00:18:26,650 like, it shouldn't be like, "Who's that girl in the picture?" 305 00:18:26,650 --> 00:18:29,527 It should-- "Girl." [chuckles] "Who's that woman in the picture?" 306 00:18:29,527 --> 00:18:32,489 It should be, "Oh, that-- It's Cindy Crawford." 307 00:18:32,489 --> 00:18:34,950 So, like, if he wants the hair up, 308 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:37,160 but we really don't think it's the most flattering for me, 309 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,411 we should fight for it. 310 00:18:44,501 --> 00:18:46,127 See you tomorrow. Thank you. 311 00:18:46,628 --> 00:18:48,755 Whoo! Brr! 312 00:18:52,717 --> 00:18:54,844 [Cindy] It is like small town, isn't it? 313 00:18:54,844 --> 00:18:56,346 I mean, it has that vibe. 314 00:18:56,346 --> 00:19:01,518 I grew up in the Midwest, so I grew up with snow and weather. 315 00:19:03,603 --> 00:19:05,230 [indistinct chatter] 316 00:19:06,773 --> 00:19:08,483 [Cindy] Every kid in my town, 317 00:19:08,483 --> 00:19:12,821 once you were either, like, a certain height or a certain age, 318 00:19:12,821 --> 00:19:14,906 you could work in the cornfields in the summer. 319 00:19:18,243 --> 00:19:22,205 You'd come home covered in pollen and dirt and bugs. 320 00:19:22,205 --> 00:19:25,208 My mother would hose us off before we were allowed into the house. 321 00:19:28,128 --> 00:19:31,172 I grew up in DeKalb, Illinois. 322 00:19:31,172 --> 00:19:32,465 Small town. 323 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,594 Blue collar family. 324 00:19:35,594 --> 00:19:40,724 I actually had a very, I think, idyllic kind of all-American childhood 325 00:19:40,724 --> 00:19:46,813 until I was nine years old and my brother got diagnosed with leukemia. 326 00:19:47,522 --> 00:19:49,733 He passed away a year later. 327 00:19:53,028 --> 00:19:55,280 While my brother was sick, obviously, 328 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,035 that became the focal point of my whole family. 329 00:20:00,035 --> 00:20:04,623 And then when he passed away it's like, how do you grieve as a family? 330 00:20:06,458 --> 00:20:10,253 My sisters and I kinda felt like, "It should have been one of the girls." 331 00:20:10,253 --> 00:20:12,714 Like, as opposed to the only boy. 332 00:20:13,673 --> 00:20:17,719 I think we felt pressured to be perfect kids, 333 00:20:17,719 --> 00:20:20,805 which probably served me well in life. 334 00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:24,935 My parents split up when I was in high school, 335 00:20:24,935 --> 00:20:29,231 so that was kind of like, the second reminder 336 00:20:29,231 --> 00:20:33,443 that fairytales are, you know, not real. [laughs] 337 00:20:35,403 --> 00:20:39,449 My mother was, like, the model of unconditional love. 338 00:20:39,449 --> 00:20:42,160 "Oh, you got an A? Oh, that's so great." 339 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,246 "You got a B? That's great." "You got a C? That's great." 340 00:20:44,246 --> 00:20:46,331 I never got a C, ever. [chuckles] 341 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,920 But my dad rewarded success. 342 00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:54,923 He was, like, my ambition. 343 00:20:54,923 --> 00:20:56,800 Because that's how you got his attention. 344 00:20:59,761 --> 00:21:04,849 I never felt like I looked special or different. 345 00:21:04,849 --> 00:21:07,936 If anything, I wasn't like the ugly duckling, 346 00:21:07,936 --> 00:21:10,814 but in my high school the pretty girls 347 00:21:10,814 --> 00:21:13,024 were, like, the little petite cheerleaders. 348 00:21:13,024 --> 00:21:16,736 That was what the idea of beauty was in my small town. 349 00:21:18,321 --> 00:21:20,198 I never even thought about modeling. 350 00:21:20,198 --> 00:21:21,908 I didn't even know it was a real job. 351 00:21:21,908 --> 00:21:26,454 I didn't know how I would get from DeKalb, Illinois to a magazine. 352 00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:35,005 But then a local photographer asked me if he could photograph me. 353 00:21:35,005 --> 00:21:38,550 My dad really didn't understand that modeling was a real career. 354 00:21:39,384 --> 00:21:43,179 He thought modeling was, like, another name for prostitution. [chuckling] 355 00:21:43,179 --> 00:21:46,683 So, they came with me to my very first modeling appointment. 356 00:21:46,683 --> 00:21:48,768 [train squealing] 357 00:21:48,768 --> 00:21:50,478 [indistinct chatter] 358 00:21:53,565 --> 00:21:56,484 The agent was kind of like, "Well, I don't know, 359 00:21:56,484 --> 00:21:58,236 you've got a mole on your face." 360 00:21:59,362 --> 00:22:01,406 But she's like, "Let's do some test pictures." 361 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,665 The pictures were really terrible and pretty unusable, 362 00:22:10,665 --> 00:22:14,920 except that the hairdresser, he saw something in me, 363 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,714 and he showed it to Elite in Chicago 364 00:22:17,714 --> 00:22:23,011 and they called me in, and they set up a test shoot. 365 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:35,106 I got a job for Marshall Field's, which was a department store for a bra ad. 366 00:22:36,233 --> 00:22:39,069 About two weeks later, I go to school one day 367 00:22:39,069 --> 00:22:41,029 and it's plastered all over my high school. 368 00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:43,365 And I remember, like, kids are trying to tease me about it 369 00:22:43,365 --> 00:22:45,200 and make me feel bad and I'm thinking, 370 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,995 "Do they know I made, like, 120 bucks or whatever doing that?" 371 00:22:48,995 --> 00:22:52,374 I didn't care. I was like, "Better than working in the cornfields." 372 00:22:53,291 --> 00:22:55,585 [faint traffic hum] 373 00:23:00,757 --> 00:23:02,884 [man] So you wanna put a couple more earrings on one ear? 374 00:23:02,884 --> 00:23:04,803 - Like a couple of those little guys. - [Linda] Yeah. 375 00:23:04,803 --> 00:23:08,598 Yeah, I want you to know, these two holes, 376 00:23:08,598 --> 00:23:10,767 I don't know what angle they are, 377 00:23:10,767 --> 00:23:13,603 - but I did them when I was 12 years old. - [laughter] 378 00:23:13,603 --> 00:23:18,817 And I found a file in my father's tool box... 379 00:23:18,817 --> 00:23:21,069 - And you punched it yourself. - [gasps] Stop. 380 00:23:21,069 --> 00:23:24,197 ...and I filed my hoops and I drove them through. 381 00:23:25,073 --> 00:23:26,950 And I got in so much trouble. 382 00:23:27,993 --> 00:23:29,661 She called me a streetwalker. 383 00:23:29,661 --> 00:23:31,371 [laughter] 384 00:23:32,581 --> 00:23:34,332 [Linda, sighing] My parents were so strict, yes. 385 00:23:34,332 --> 00:23:35,792 My mother in particular. 386 00:23:37,085 --> 00:23:42,048 They both emigrated from Italy to Ontario, Canada. 387 00:23:42,048 --> 00:23:44,301 [faint accordion music] 388 00:23:44,301 --> 00:23:48,555 I grew up very Italian, very Italian traditions, 389 00:23:48,555 --> 00:23:51,683 but I was always into fashion. 390 00:23:51,683 --> 00:23:53,810 Obsessed with fashion. 391 00:23:54,644 --> 00:23:55,979 [woman on commercial] You know who this is? 392 00:23:55,979 --> 00:23:58,690 Uh-huh. But not the Barbie you know. 393 00:23:59,232 --> 00:24:01,610 This is new Color Magic Barbie. 394 00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:04,446 Her hair actually changes color. 395 00:24:04,946 --> 00:24:07,073 {\an8}[Linda, laughing] My poor Barbie dolls, 396 00:24:07,073 --> 00:24:10,493 {\an8}they got dressed and undressed I don't know how many times. 397 00:24:10,493 --> 00:24:12,996 And my Barbies got married a lot. 398 00:24:13,705 --> 00:24:16,791 ["That's Good" by Devo playing] 399 00:24:18,043 --> 00:24:20,962 I worked in a convenience store. 400 00:24:21,671 --> 00:24:24,466 We had a magazine rack. 401 00:24:25,091 --> 00:24:27,928 And in my free time I would go through the magazines, 402 00:24:27,928 --> 00:24:29,804 and if there was one that I adored, 403 00:24:29,804 --> 00:24:35,310 I would use my minimum wage to buy the magazine, 404 00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:38,271 so I could put the photos up on my wall in my bedroom. 405 00:24:43,652 --> 00:24:45,695 [song stops] 406 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:48,990 I had curly hair and I got a perm. 407 00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:51,618 And then I cut my hair over the ear, 408 00:24:51,618 --> 00:24:54,913 I think they call that... a mullet. 409 00:24:58,959 --> 00:25:00,919 I thought I was the cat's meow. 410 00:25:04,297 --> 00:25:08,134 My mother understood how important fashion was to me, 411 00:25:08,134 --> 00:25:12,472 so my mother said, "Why don't we try modeling school?" 412 00:25:13,473 --> 00:25:18,895 {\an8}I learned how to take a jacket off... with one hand. 413 00:25:18,895 --> 00:25:22,274 You pop your buttons with one hand, you start at the bottom. 414 00:25:22,274 --> 00:25:25,443 No one needs to go to modeling school to be a model. 415 00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:31,032 It's ironic that my parents let me go to Japan 416 00:25:31,032 --> 00:25:34,619 when I was 16 on a modeling contract. 417 00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:38,456 They wouldn't let me go on the school ski trip. 418 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960 But they let me go to Japan. 419 00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:46,548 When I got to Japan, first thing they asked me 420 00:25:46,548 --> 00:25:49,259 was about nude photographs, 421 00:25:49,259 --> 00:25:51,094 and they wanted to take all my measurements 422 00:25:51,094 --> 00:25:52,470 and take your clothes off. 423 00:25:55,348 --> 00:26:01,771 {\an8}And I'm like, "I just made a composite, and it had my measurements on it." 424 00:26:03,398 --> 00:26:05,775 And I didn't want to take my clothes off. 425 00:26:07,193 --> 00:26:08,778 I kind of freaked out. 426 00:26:12,741 --> 00:26:15,035 I never should have went there by myself. 427 00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:17,954 I went home. 428 00:26:19,664 --> 00:26:25,795 I sort of gave up, but then my modeling agency 429 00:26:25,795 --> 00:26:30,342 insisted I enter the Miss Teen Niagara pageant. 430 00:26:30,342 --> 00:26:34,846 I was unsuccessful, but there was a scout in the audience. 431 00:26:36,389 --> 00:26:39,517 And they introduced me to John Casablancas. 432 00:26:39,517 --> 00:26:41,603 And when he met me, he said, 433 00:26:42,103 --> 00:26:44,439 "Wow, I think you look like Joan Severance." 434 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:48,652 And I almost dropped dead 'cause I worshipped her. 435 00:26:50,987 --> 00:26:53,323 He said, "Yeah, we'd love to take you on. 436 00:26:53,323 --> 00:26:55,367 Maybe you should lose five pounds. 437 00:26:57,285 --> 00:26:59,788 And, uh... we'll give it a go." 438 00:27:03,416 --> 00:27:09,381 John Casablancas was an extremely charming man. 439 00:27:09,965 --> 00:27:13,343 [Cindy] He was the head of Elite Modeling Agency. 440 00:27:14,177 --> 00:27:16,263 You can tell, he had, 441 00:27:16,263 --> 00:27:21,101 like, you know, he was that suave guy. 442 00:27:21,685 --> 00:27:25,522 I think, by the time I met him, he did date, 443 00:27:25,522 --> 00:27:29,109 you know, someone my age or almost my age. 444 00:27:29,109 --> 00:27:31,903 I never saw him as that. Like, to me he was my agent. 445 00:27:36,241 --> 00:27:39,202 In my senior year of high school, Elite Agency signed me up 446 00:27:39,202 --> 00:27:41,871 for their Look of the Year contest. 447 00:27:41,871 --> 00:27:44,749 So, it's like a model search contest. 448 00:27:46,793 --> 00:27:51,506 Me and about, probably, 200 young women were in Acapulco 449 00:27:51,506 --> 00:27:55,051 {\an8}and that was more, like, almost, like, you would think of a beauty pageant. 450 00:27:55,051 --> 00:27:57,512 {\an8}My name is Cindy Crawford, I'm from Chicago, Illinois. 451 00:27:57,512 --> 00:27:59,514 [chuckling] But you didn't have to have any talent. 452 00:28:01,224 --> 00:28:04,811 [Casablancas] This is a contest for the fun of it, for the beauty of it. 453 00:28:05,896 --> 00:28:09,316 Judging is taking place all the time. 454 00:28:09,316 --> 00:28:12,193 {\an8}You are being watched all the time. 455 00:28:12,819 --> 00:28:17,365 Because being a model is being a person 456 00:28:17,365 --> 00:28:19,868 who can be great at all times. 457 00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:23,538 When I look back on it, it's probably pretty "not woke," 458 00:28:23,538 --> 00:28:26,917 but at the time it didn't, you know, it just felt like it was an audition. 459 00:28:26,917 --> 00:28:29,127 [light applause] 460 00:28:29,878 --> 00:28:34,591 We went around the world and we grabbed you, we found you, 461 00:28:34,591 --> 00:28:41,223 we brought you here, and we hope that this is just the beginning 462 00:28:41,223 --> 00:28:44,643 of something that will make you great Elite models, 463 00:28:44,643 --> 00:28:47,938 and that we will make together a lot of money 464 00:28:47,938 --> 00:28:49,606 and have a lot of success. 465 00:28:49,606 --> 00:28:52,359 [applause] 466 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,445 [Cindy] I got selected in the top ten. 467 00:28:55,445 --> 00:28:58,490 When you were in the top ten, they kinda pulled you aside to interview you, 468 00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:00,116 "Would you be willing to quit school?" 469 00:29:00,116 --> 00:29:01,868 "Can you move to New York?" and blah, blah, blah. 470 00:29:01,868 --> 00:29:05,372 I was still in high school, and I wasn't ready to quit school, and I said that. 471 00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:11,211 So I went back to high school. 472 00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:16,675 {\an8}I was well on my way, and did become co-valedictorian. 473 00:29:17,634 --> 00:29:21,513 {\an8}And I applied to Northwestern University 474 00:29:21,513 --> 00:29:25,058 and got a scholarship if I would go into Chemical Engineering. 475 00:29:27,811 --> 00:29:34,401 The summer, before I went to college, I had been invited to New York by Elite, 476 00:29:34,401 --> 00:29:38,238 and I went to see a photographer, Patrick Demarchelier. 477 00:29:38,238 --> 00:29:42,576 He said, "Fine, I'll book her to go to Rome. 478 00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:44,869 But I want her to cut her hair off." 479 00:29:46,538 --> 00:29:49,249 My agency and I decided, "No, it wasn't worth it." 480 00:29:49,249 --> 00:29:51,710 So, we said, "No, she's not cutting her hair." 481 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:54,462 And they said, "Fine. We'll take her anyway." 482 00:29:56,506 --> 00:29:58,341 I was so excited. 483 00:29:58,341 --> 00:30:01,177 It was just a great opportunity. 484 00:30:07,309 --> 00:30:08,852 The very first night, 485 00:30:08,852 --> 00:30:13,273 they send the hairdresser to my room to give me a "trim." 486 00:30:13,982 --> 00:30:18,194 Combed my hair, put it in a ponytail and chopped my ponytail off without asking. 487 00:30:21,156 --> 00:30:22,782 I was in shock. 488 00:30:22,782 --> 00:30:26,411 And I just sat there in a hotel room in Rome crying. 489 00:30:28,413 --> 00:30:32,292 And if people wonder why I've never really cut my hair since then, that's why. 490 00:30:32,292 --> 00:30:33,835 Because I was so traumatized. 491 00:30:39,382 --> 00:30:44,304 I really felt... I was not seen as a person 492 00:30:44,304 --> 00:30:48,516 who had a voice in her own destiny. 493 00:30:49,643 --> 00:30:52,103 It wasn't that I didn't like my hair short, 494 00:30:52,103 --> 00:30:55,565 it was that I hadn't voted myself in to having short hair. 495 00:30:56,983 --> 00:31:01,404 If this is what it means to be a model, I'm just not ready for this. 496 00:31:17,629 --> 00:31:21,591 [Robin Givhan] There's so much mythology that surrounds models, 497 00:31:21,591 --> 00:31:26,012 and the job of that mythology is to kind of hide their humanity. 498 00:31:34,938 --> 00:31:38,817 When you look at the history of the model, 499 00:31:40,277 --> 00:31:43,989 the model's role was to basically be a living hanger. 500 00:31:44,739 --> 00:31:47,409 They were referred to as mannequins. 501 00:31:47,409 --> 00:31:50,495 Models, typically, are silent, 502 00:31:50,495 --> 00:31:54,165 and their job is to make everything look effortless. 503 00:31:56,835 --> 00:31:58,795 [Bethann Hardison] You didn't necessarily know a model's name. 504 00:31:59,921 --> 00:32:05,510 I was lucky to be a model, runway model, but I really always had a full time job. 505 00:32:10,348 --> 00:32:13,268 {\an8}There were many other models who were famous, 506 00:32:13,268 --> 00:32:17,355 {\an8}but most of them were famous, really, just for print. 507 00:32:17,355 --> 00:32:20,275 You know, whether it would be Twiggy back in the '60s, 508 00:32:21,526 --> 00:32:23,528 Lauren Hutton in the '70s. 509 00:32:24,738 --> 00:32:27,574 {\an8}I think the model types tended to look like 510 00:32:27,574 --> 00:32:29,951 {\an8}men's ideas about what women should look like. 511 00:32:29,951 --> 00:32:35,081 They were blondes like Cheryl Tiegs or Christie Brinkley. 512 00:32:35,081 --> 00:32:37,334 I mean, gorgeous women but they, you know, 513 00:32:37,334 --> 00:32:40,670 from ten feet away, they kind of look alike. 514 00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:49,221 I think the fashion industry has created an illusion of glamor and sex 515 00:32:49,221 --> 00:32:52,349 because you're not supposed to know that perhaps that model 516 00:32:52,349 --> 00:32:56,937 who's supposed to represent this idealized woman, 517 00:32:56,937 --> 00:32:59,147 is only 17 years old. 518 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,567 {\an8}The models were the ones ultimately responsible 519 00:33:02,567 --> 00:33:04,945 {\an8}for selling the brands at the end of the day. 520 00:33:04,945 --> 00:33:06,947 Or certainly selling the magazines. 521 00:33:06,947 --> 00:33:10,283 So I think the pressures were incredible. 522 00:33:11,868 --> 00:33:15,789 You have to have great photographs, or be great in a fashion show, 523 00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:18,041 and then you have to slay it the next day. 524 00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:20,418 - [dryer whirring] - [indistinct chatter] 525 00:33:23,463 --> 00:33:25,173 - [Linda] Like that? - [man] No, a little bit more. 526 00:33:25,173 --> 00:33:27,384 That's it. Roll it. 527 00:33:27,884 --> 00:33:29,553 - [interviewer] Let me ask her a question. - [man] Good. Okay. Go ahead. 528 00:33:29,553 --> 00:33:31,930 [interviewer] How important are your eyelashes to your total look? 529 00:33:32,514 --> 00:33:34,349 Um, it's very important. 530 00:33:34,349 --> 00:33:36,893 Without eyelashes, you're not finished. 531 00:33:36,893 --> 00:33:39,354 [interviewer] Do you use your eyelashes to communicate at all? 532 00:33:39,354 --> 00:33:41,648 - Yes, when you want something. - [interviewer] How? 533 00:33:41,648 --> 00:33:43,483 - [interviewer] Pardon me? - Like, when you want something. 534 00:33:43,483 --> 00:33:47,153 Adds to your charm when you bat your lashes. 535 00:33:49,656 --> 00:33:50,907 Was that a good answer? 536 00:33:50,907 --> 00:33:52,325 [laughing] 537 00:33:53,451 --> 00:33:55,579 [Linda] I didn't think I was beautiful. 538 00:33:56,997 --> 00:33:58,665 I thought I was pretty. 539 00:33:59,708 --> 00:34:01,835 And I knew I was tall. 540 00:34:01,835 --> 00:34:04,754 And I was thin, very thin. 541 00:34:05,255 --> 00:34:10,093 So, I thought I had most of the credentials to be a model. 542 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,517 I believe I was almost 19 when I went to Paris. 543 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:25,025 It was suggested that I maybe cheat on my age a little bit. 544 00:34:26,443 --> 00:34:30,322 I did get bookings, but bottom of the ladder. 545 00:34:31,865 --> 00:34:37,787 I wanted to be whoever they wanted me to be when I showed up at work. 546 00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:43,376 So, whether it was a designer or a photographer... 547 00:34:44,461 --> 00:34:47,881 ...I wanted to please them. 548 00:34:47,881 --> 00:34:49,925 {\an8}[people speaking French] 549 00:34:51,843 --> 00:34:53,887 {\an8}[speaking French] 550 00:34:56,056 --> 00:34:57,641 [Lagerfeld, in French] Where is Linda? 551 00:34:57,766 --> 00:34:59,809 Linda Evangelista is right there. 552 00:35:00,477 --> 00:35:03,313 [Linda] I did a Chanel show very early. 553 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,357 - [in French] It's going better? - Yes. 554 00:35:06,942 --> 00:35:08,193 The "Small One"! 555 00:35:10,987 --> 00:35:12,113 [in English] I'm not that small. 556 00:35:12,113 --> 00:35:14,366 [in French] Linda, we need you to wear your hair a bit lower. 557 00:35:14,366 --> 00:35:16,201 - [in English] Oh, really? - [in English] Because of the hairdressing? 558 00:35:17,077 --> 00:35:21,289 And I felt like, at that point, I still hadn't found myself. 559 00:35:21,289 --> 00:35:24,042 I felt like a little bit like an imposter. 560 00:35:25,877 --> 00:35:28,129 [in French] Linda, go there and I'll explain what to do. 561 00:35:28,129 --> 00:35:29,839 [in English] English or French? 562 00:35:30,382 --> 00:35:32,008 In what language are you supposed to talk? 563 00:35:32,008 --> 00:35:33,385 [Linda] English. 564 00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:35,095 A bit of French. Good. 565 00:35:36,888 --> 00:35:38,723 [Linda] But I so wanted to be there. 566 00:35:40,809 --> 00:35:42,602 I so wanted to be there. 567 00:35:48,149 --> 00:35:51,403 My agent thought I should start from the beginning again, 568 00:35:51,945 --> 00:35:54,906 because my book was not impressing a single person. 569 00:36:01,663 --> 00:36:04,291 I think I looked awkward. 570 00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:09,963 And I thought I understood fashion, but I didn't understand fashion. 571 00:36:12,382 --> 00:36:16,052 Many people told me a good career is three years. 572 00:36:16,052 --> 00:36:18,805 And I did my three years. 573 00:36:20,181 --> 00:36:25,353 So, when I went to see Peter Lindbergh on a go-see, 574 00:36:25,353 --> 00:36:27,355 I went without my portfolio. 575 00:36:30,233 --> 00:36:31,484 And he booked me. 576 00:36:40,535 --> 00:36:44,247 {\an8}What I try to do is, like to give respect to women, 577 00:36:44,247 --> 00:36:47,167 not to transform them into Mickey Mouses or things like that, 578 00:36:47,167 --> 00:36:50,879 just leave them the way they are and work with their personalities. 579 00:36:50,879 --> 00:36:54,090 And that's-- I mean, when I find somebody new to work with, 580 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:55,675 they have to bring it, no? 581 00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:57,636 I don't make it. They have to bring it. 582 00:36:57,636 --> 00:37:01,890 And that's what in the end in the image, that's what's left is them, no? 583 00:37:03,850 --> 00:37:06,228 [Fabien Baron] Peter Lindbergh was a craftsman. 584 00:37:06,978 --> 00:37:09,940 He had his technique down to the millimeter, 585 00:37:10,732 --> 00:37:13,652 getting a certain woman inside his camera. 586 00:37:15,737 --> 00:37:20,450 He had, you know, that very Germanic, Nordic look to his pictures. 587 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:22,369 You know, like German industrial. 588 00:37:23,161 --> 00:37:24,454 Always in black and white. 589 00:37:26,081 --> 00:37:29,584 [Grace Coddington] Peter was raw and atmospheric. 590 00:37:29,584 --> 00:37:33,171 {\an8}They were all very gritty, his pictures. 591 00:37:36,007 --> 00:37:41,596 I think if anybody captured the real me, 592 00:37:42,305 --> 00:37:44,057 it was Peter Lindbergh. 593 00:37:44,808 --> 00:37:48,144 Those were the ones that made me the most uncomfortable, 594 00:37:48,144 --> 00:37:51,773 'cause it's really hard to just be you. 595 00:37:52,524 --> 00:37:54,484 [woman] We've got some young models in today. 596 00:37:54,985 --> 00:37:57,696 {\an8}Naomi, why does she make a good cover girl? 597 00:37:57,696 --> 00:38:01,575 [woman 2] Um, she's got an amazing personality, apart from being very pretty. 598 00:38:01,575 --> 00:38:03,201 She's incredibly professional. 599 00:38:03,201 --> 00:38:06,580 I mean, even at 15, she's turning up on sessions with bagfuls of gear and 600 00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:09,291 those necklaces and makeup and everything like that. 601 00:38:09,291 --> 00:38:12,294 [Naomi] My agent goes, "I'd like to send you to Elle magazine" 602 00:38:12,294 --> 00:38:15,380 because they would like to take me on this trip in America. 603 00:38:17,591 --> 00:38:19,718 I felt this real guilt. 604 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,889 My mother had no idea that I was doing any of it. 605 00:38:26,725 --> 00:38:28,518 My mother was born in Jamaica, 606 00:38:28,518 --> 00:38:31,104 and she came to England when she was three years old. 607 00:38:33,315 --> 00:38:36,359 My mother was my mother, my mother was my father. 608 00:38:39,154 --> 00:38:42,824 I also believe a lot of that was part of my drive, too, 609 00:38:42,824 --> 00:38:45,577 not having my father figure in my life. 610 00:38:49,122 --> 00:38:52,584 I always wanted to make my mother proud. 611 00:38:53,585 --> 00:38:56,713 I know how hard she worked and sacrificed for me. 612 00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:04,346 So, I finally go home, and I work up the nerve to tell my mum. 613 00:39:04,346 --> 00:39:05,555 She's pissed. 614 00:39:06,348 --> 00:39:08,391 It's not what she'd sent me to school for. 615 00:39:08,391 --> 00:39:10,810 She's paid my school fees all these years. 616 00:39:11,978 --> 00:39:15,273 And now I'm just gonna want to be in modeling? 617 00:39:19,402 --> 00:39:22,822 But she did say yes, but my mother couldn't come with me 618 00:39:22,822 --> 00:39:25,075 because she was pregnant with my brother. 619 00:39:25,909 --> 00:39:29,204 So, off I went in April 14th to New Orleans. 620 00:39:30,538 --> 00:39:32,499 [boat horn blaring] 621 00:39:32,499 --> 00:39:35,627 [playing lively jazz] 622 00:39:44,678 --> 00:39:46,888 [Brading] Naomi was very cooperative in those days. 623 00:39:47,889 --> 00:39:51,017 It was her first big job. It was a big adventure for her. 624 00:39:52,978 --> 00:39:55,522 {\an8}We did two stories, one on the beach... 625 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,694 {\an8}...and this other story called, "Land Girls." 626 00:40:02,362 --> 00:40:06,074 {\an8}We were on a slave plantation when we did this picture, 627 00:40:06,074 --> 00:40:08,577 {\an8}six white people and a Black girl. 628 00:40:10,161 --> 00:40:13,999 This is 30 years ago. Different world. 629 00:40:16,376 --> 00:40:18,211 [Naomi] My mom was nervous. 630 00:40:18,211 --> 00:40:19,921 She talked to me before I left. 631 00:40:19,921 --> 00:40:23,341 She told me about racism in America. 632 00:40:23,341 --> 00:40:25,969 [people clamoring faintly] 633 00:40:25,969 --> 00:40:29,055 She told me about the South, about the Ku Klux Klan. 634 00:40:29,055 --> 00:40:30,891 [yelling, indistinct] 635 00:40:30,891 --> 00:40:34,519 You know, that's what we knew about the South in England. 636 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,105 [insects chirring] 637 00:40:37,105 --> 00:40:40,901 I started to understand culturally 638 00:40:40,901 --> 00:40:45,947 that I was gonna have to work really hard to feel accepted. 639 00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:51,077 There was no way I could go back home with my tail between my legs 640 00:40:51,077 --> 00:40:53,538 saying it didn't work out, I gave up. 641 00:40:54,623 --> 00:40:55,999 No way. 642 00:40:57,751 --> 00:41:00,795 I was gonna go harder and further. 643 00:41:03,924 --> 00:41:07,969 About four months after I shot British Elle, 644 00:41:07,969 --> 00:41:10,347 there were some people that came to London 645 00:41:10,347 --> 00:41:13,433 because they heard about this young black girl. 646 00:41:13,975 --> 00:41:18,355 So that was a bit like "Wow, they're flying over to England to meet me?" 647 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,366 I had a studio in East London. 648 00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:33,370 {\an8}And a very good friend of mine had run over and said, "You've got to come over. 649 00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:35,580 You've got to check this girl out, check this girl out. 650 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:39,751 She's only 14, she's only 15." Tap school or whatever. 651 00:41:39,751 --> 00:41:43,588 And that's when I first saw Naomi working. I think it was for British Elle. 652 00:41:45,090 --> 00:41:47,008 She has presence. 653 00:41:47,509 --> 00:41:49,094 Presence, grounded. 654 00:41:49,094 --> 00:41:51,680 It's like a magnet. 655 00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:55,725 [Hardison] The woman who had discovered her, 656 00:41:55,725 --> 00:41:57,102 she contacted me because she said, 657 00:41:57,102 --> 00:41:59,437 "There's a girl I think you should take care of." 658 00:41:59,437 --> 00:42:02,774 Naomi was very respectful and very shy, quiet. 659 00:42:02,774 --> 00:42:04,526 I was so impressed with her. 660 00:42:05,235 --> 00:42:07,988 [Naomi] Just got to meet really good people. 661 00:42:07,988 --> 00:42:10,824 Eileen Ford started to come over to London, 662 00:42:10,824 --> 00:42:14,452 trying to get my mother to get me to sign with them. 663 00:42:16,997 --> 00:42:18,707 [Naomi] I loved Eileen Ford. 664 00:42:18,707 --> 00:42:22,127 I look back now at her old-fashioned way of... 665 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,673 her old traditional way of being a model agent. 666 00:42:26,673 --> 00:42:28,341 - [man] Yeah. - I think she was correct. 667 00:42:28,341 --> 00:42:30,969 I think she was the most correct of all of them. 668 00:42:30,969 --> 00:42:32,721 [man] How did she approach you that was different? 669 00:42:32,721 --> 00:42:34,973 I just liked the way she took care of the girls. 670 00:42:34,973 --> 00:42:37,183 - [man] Right. - We all had to live in her home with her, 671 00:42:37,684 --> 00:42:42,522 and you know, she made your parents feel very protected. 672 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,320 [Cindy] At the time there was, like, two big agencies in New York. 673 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,238 There was Ford, which was Eileen Ford. 674 00:42:50,238 --> 00:42:55,994 She was very, like, proper, and you know, 675 00:42:55,994 --> 00:42:59,372 expected all her "girls" to behave a certain way, 676 00:42:59,372 --> 00:43:01,333 and they would stay in the townhouse. 677 00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:07,672 And then there was Elite, which had a much different energy at that agency. 678 00:43:09,049 --> 00:43:11,009 They didn't feel like they were our parents 679 00:43:11,009 --> 00:43:13,136 or wanted to be our parents. 680 00:43:13,136 --> 00:43:16,097 You weren't their responsibility. They were your agents. That's how I felt. 681 00:43:16,097 --> 00:43:18,516 I didn't feel like I had a second parent in my agency. 682 00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:21,937 I was 20 years old. 683 00:43:22,479 --> 00:43:26,858 I had dropped out of college to model in Chicago, and it was great. 684 00:43:26,858 --> 00:43:29,611 I was making a thousand dollars a day. 685 00:43:33,198 --> 00:43:35,116 The main business there was catalog. 686 00:43:37,202 --> 00:43:40,497 There was one big photographer, Victor Skrebneski. 687 00:43:40,497 --> 00:43:43,333 He was the big fish in the little pond. 688 00:43:44,292 --> 00:43:48,922 Victor was definitely my first mentor in the fashion industry. 689 00:43:49,506 --> 00:43:53,093 {\an8}He would tell you, you know, "Okay, right arm out, shoulder up," 690 00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:56,263 {\an8}and when Victor said, "Don't move," you didn't move. 691 00:43:56,263 --> 00:43:59,015 {\an8}You were like, "Okay, I'm not gonna move a muscle." 692 00:44:00,976 --> 00:44:04,396 I passed out there more than once, especially right before lunch. 693 00:44:04,396 --> 00:44:07,023 If you were hungry, you would faint. 694 00:44:07,023 --> 00:44:10,694 Then they'd prop you back up, and... [chuckling] ...you'd do it all over again. 695 00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:14,823 {\an8}It wasn't about, "Oh, wow, you're so pretty, we're gonna take pictures of you." 696 00:44:14,823 --> 00:44:17,409 {\an8}No, it was like, "Your job is you're helping me sell this jacket." 697 00:44:17,409 --> 00:44:19,452 Like, "We're all here to sell this jacket." 698 00:44:20,078 --> 00:44:23,081 [Oprah Winfrey] Straight from DeKalb, Illinois, please welcome Cindy Crawford. 699 00:44:23,081 --> 00:44:24,457 [applause] 700 00:44:24,457 --> 00:44:25,875 Did she always have this body? 701 00:44:26,501 --> 00:44:27,544 Stand up just a moment. 702 00:44:27,544 --> 00:44:30,547 - Now, this is what I call a body. - [Cindy laughs] 703 00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:33,425 Did she have to go through that training period or no? 704 00:44:33,425 --> 00:44:36,052 Well, with Cindy it was much more psychologically-- 705 00:44:36,052 --> 00:44:38,763 She was not sure she really wanted to model. 706 00:44:38,763 --> 00:44:42,058 - [Cindy] I was like the chattel. - ...mental stability. 707 00:44:42,058 --> 00:44:44,561 Or a child, like, "Be seen and not heard." 708 00:44:44,561 --> 00:44:47,522 When you look at it through today's eyes, when Oprah's like, 709 00:44:47,522 --> 00:44:50,400 "Stand up and show me your body." 710 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,111 Like, "Show us why you're worthy of being here." 711 00:44:54,404 --> 00:44:56,990 In the moment, I didn't recognize it, only when I look back at it, 712 00:44:56,990 --> 00:45:00,785 and I was like, "Oh, my gosh, that was so not okay, really." 713 00:45:00,785 --> 00:45:02,454 Especially from Oprah. 714 00:45:03,163 --> 00:45:05,332 [Casablancas] Little by little, her ambition is growing. 715 00:45:05,332 --> 00:45:09,044 {\an8}She's getting a sense that she could be, and I'm saying it now on this program, 716 00:45:09,044 --> 00:45:12,255 {\an8}if she wants to, she can be maybe the number one in the business. 717 00:45:13,173 --> 00:45:16,509 [Cindy] I felt good in Chicago, like the city didn't overwhelm me. 718 00:45:16,509 --> 00:45:20,847 And I had my own apartment. And I could drive home and see my mother. 719 00:45:21,556 --> 00:45:25,310 I had this very safe situation with Victor Skrebneski, 720 00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:27,604 who I was working with every day and making a great living. 721 00:45:29,356 --> 00:45:34,110 {\an8}I got offered a job in Bali, and it was like a ten-day trip. 722 00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:37,864 And in Chicago the modeling jobs that we did were in Chicago. [laughs] 723 00:45:37,864 --> 00:45:41,660 Like, we rarely got to go on location and travel and do anything exciting. 724 00:45:43,328 --> 00:45:47,540 Skrebneski's studio, they were holding one day in that ten days, 725 00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:51,086 and I said, "Can you release me from this day so I can do this other thing?" 726 00:45:51,836 --> 00:45:53,088 And they said no. 727 00:45:53,088 --> 00:45:57,509 And not only did they say no, they said, "If you cancel," 728 00:45:57,509 --> 00:46:02,806 this half-day catalog or whatever it was, "we will never use you again." 729 00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,602 I was working four, five days a week, mostly with Victor. 730 00:46:07,602 --> 00:46:10,564 They were my bread and butter and everything. 731 00:46:11,606 --> 00:46:16,361 I was making more money than my parents would have ever dreamed of. 732 00:46:19,739 --> 00:46:23,785 When I was a kid, there was never enough to go around. 733 00:46:25,537 --> 00:46:27,956 And then, when my parents split up, 734 00:46:27,956 --> 00:46:34,045 I had seen how my dad used money sometimes to try to manipulate my mother. 735 00:46:36,214 --> 00:46:38,717 I remember seeing that and going, "That will never be me." 736 00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:42,053 As you mature, 737 00:46:43,138 --> 00:46:46,099 you know when it's important to say something and when it's not. 738 00:46:48,351 --> 00:46:52,981 I canceled the job. I went and did the ten-day trip in Bali. 739 00:46:55,775 --> 00:46:56,818 And that was it. 740 00:46:57,694 --> 00:46:59,237 He never booked me again ever. 741 00:47:00,614 --> 00:47:01,907 If you were modeling in Chicago, 742 00:47:01,907 --> 00:47:04,910 and you weren't working with Victor Skrebneski, 743 00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:07,412 it was like taking a step down. 744 00:47:08,955 --> 00:47:12,459 Okay, well, I'm gonna give New York a shot. 745 00:47:14,836 --> 00:47:17,047 [traffic humming] 746 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,384 [photographer] So, we're doing two covers, the main cover, 747 00:47:21,384 --> 00:47:25,513 the 75th anniversary cover, and I think another online cover. 748 00:47:25,513 --> 00:47:26,640 Okay. 749 00:47:27,974 --> 00:47:30,393 [blower whirring] 750 00:47:30,393 --> 00:47:32,520 [photographer] Can the hand come up more to the neck somewhat? 751 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,397 Yeah. And then I'll just go into it. 752 00:47:34,397 --> 00:47:37,192 Beautiful. Maybe, that's it. 753 00:47:37,192 --> 00:47:38,568 Like that. That's better, isn't it? 754 00:47:38,568 --> 00:47:40,278 - Oh, my God. - [woman] Oh, my God. Gorgeous. 755 00:47:40,278 --> 00:47:41,947 [photographer] Jesus, such good photography. 756 00:47:41,947 --> 00:47:44,532 [all laughing] 757 00:47:44,532 --> 00:47:46,868 [photographer] Christy looks amazing as well, guys. 758 00:47:46,868 --> 00:47:49,704 I don't want to-- We got that on camera? 759 00:47:49,704 --> 00:47:52,499 [woman on TV] Christy Turlington will do her first Cosmo cover. 760 00:47:52,499 --> 00:47:56,127 She'll take home 500 dollars for only three hours of primping 761 00:47:56,127 --> 00:47:58,171 and 15 minutes of posing. 762 00:47:58,171 --> 00:48:01,716 [distorting] Not bad for a girl who just graduated high school. 763 00:48:03,301 --> 00:48:06,221 [Christy] Modeling is like a learn as you go, 764 00:48:06,221 --> 00:48:08,974 learn as you watch and observe. 765 00:48:09,975 --> 00:48:11,893 There's no real, like, teaching. 766 00:48:15,313 --> 00:48:20,610 Nowadays, all the magic happens in post-production. 767 00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,655 [machinery buzzing] 768 00:48:23,655 --> 00:48:27,325 [Linda] In the '80s and the early '90s, all the magic happened 769 00:48:27,325 --> 00:48:30,662 exactly at that moment that you heard "click." 770 00:48:32,664 --> 00:48:34,457 A still image is sacred. 771 00:48:35,292 --> 00:48:40,463 We would take a hundred frames to get that one. 772 00:48:42,507 --> 00:48:45,677 [Linda] What we saw is what we got. 773 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,600 Somebody was holding the end of the skirt with a fishing wire string. 774 00:48:52,142 --> 00:48:55,061 There was maybe a Coke can 775 00:48:55,061 --> 00:48:59,941 behind your belt to cinch in your waist, uh... 776 00:48:59,941 --> 00:49:02,110 We had all these tricks, but the light? 777 00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:05,155 The photographers really worked on the light 778 00:49:05,155 --> 00:49:07,449 'cause there was no retouching then. 779 00:49:08,241 --> 00:49:11,870 And you never knew what the picture was going to be 780 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:13,371 until you saw it in the magazine. 781 00:49:13,955 --> 00:49:17,626 {\an8}In the 1980s, kids, there was no internet. 782 00:49:18,501 --> 00:49:20,795 There was something called magazines. [laughing] 783 00:49:24,674 --> 00:49:26,301 We didn't have Instagram. 784 00:49:26,301 --> 00:49:29,429 We didn't have Facebook. 785 00:49:29,429 --> 00:49:31,097 We had magazines. 786 00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:37,312 Back then, magazines were one of the primary ways of entering another world. 787 00:49:38,897 --> 00:49:43,693 And we had people who curated what culture should be. 788 00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:46,863 [Coddington] A magazine hopefully catches the reader 789 00:49:46,863 --> 00:49:50,075 who looks more deeply into the clothes 790 00:49:50,075 --> 00:49:52,369 {\an8}and goes to the shop and buys them. [laughing] 791 00:49:52,369 --> 00:49:54,496 Bazaar has a style, Vogue has a style, 792 00:49:54,496 --> 00:49:59,084 Elle has a style... I don't know how to describe this. 793 00:49:59,084 --> 00:50:00,710 But they were all different. 794 00:50:01,419 --> 00:50:04,089 {\an8}Harper's Bazaar was very toney. 795 00:50:04,381 --> 00:50:08,260 Elle magazine, we were doing everything fast. 796 00:50:08,260 --> 00:50:10,345 It was weekly! 797 00:50:10,345 --> 00:50:12,639 Because fashion is quick you know what I mean? 798 00:50:13,515 --> 00:50:17,227 Vogue was always the crown jewel of fashion magazines. 799 00:50:17,936 --> 00:50:20,313 [woman] Vogue was very international. 800 00:50:20,313 --> 00:50:23,108 {\an8}And then American Vogue, obviously, was the Bible. 801 00:50:23,108 --> 00:50:26,820 [Anna Wintour] I think being in Vogue is something, basically, every model wants. 802 00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:30,657 {\an8}And it helps her career. It gets her advertising campaigns. 803 00:50:30,657 --> 00:50:32,200 {\an8}It gets her book together. 804 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,622 I mean, there's other reasons that girls want to do... do Vogue beyond the money. 805 00:50:37,622 --> 00:50:42,002 [Cindy] I remember getting booked for American Vogue to St. Barts. 806 00:50:42,002 --> 00:50:44,045 For a girl from a small town going to St. Barts, 807 00:50:44,045 --> 00:50:45,839 I was like, I-- "This is heaven." 808 00:50:46,882 --> 00:50:52,178 And from that shoot, I got a cover try for Vogue. 809 00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:56,141 [Linda] We were never guaranteed covers. 810 00:50:56,141 --> 00:51:00,395 Back then... it was a "cover try." 811 00:51:00,395 --> 00:51:02,397 You would go in, and you would do a few, 812 00:51:02,397 --> 00:51:04,900 and then they would have a look at them and say, 813 00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:09,446 "Yes, this one's a go," or "No, let's shoot more on someone else." 814 00:51:09,821 --> 00:51:12,282 And you wouldn't know until, like, a month later 815 00:51:12,282 --> 00:51:14,326 if yours got selected or not. 816 00:51:14,326 --> 00:51:18,747 Like, that was my dream... to be on a cover of Vogue. 817 00:51:18,747 --> 00:51:21,666 Any Vogue. Didn't care which Vogue. Any Vogue. 818 00:51:25,503 --> 00:51:29,341 [Christy] My first Vogue cover was Italian Vogue. 819 00:51:29,341 --> 00:51:32,802 I remember loving the way that I looked in the mirror, 820 00:51:32,802 --> 00:51:35,597 and I felt like such a princess walking to the set. 821 00:51:35,597 --> 00:51:37,515 And you couldn't get Italian Vogue everywhere, 822 00:51:37,515 --> 00:51:39,893 so, you know, when I went back to my life at home, 823 00:51:39,893 --> 00:51:42,479 it took me a long time before I got to see the magazine 824 00:51:42,479 --> 00:51:45,315 'cause it was something that I couldn't really find. 825 00:51:45,315 --> 00:51:49,027 My second Vogue cover, I think, was a bigger deal, 826 00:51:49,027 --> 00:51:52,572 in the sense that more people noticed it, and that was for British Vogue. 827 00:51:54,032 --> 00:51:55,659 Looking at it now, I look so young, 828 00:51:55,659 --> 00:51:58,328 I can't even believe that I'm on the cover of Vogue. 829 00:51:58,328 --> 00:52:01,748 I was probably 17 by then. 830 00:52:01,748 --> 00:52:04,084 Patrick Demarchelier shot it. 831 00:52:04,084 --> 00:52:07,128 Donna Karan had just launched her new brand, 832 00:52:07,128 --> 00:52:13,176 and so it was a cover story wearing her first collection. 833 00:52:13,176 --> 00:52:17,931 After we finished the shoot, we took a portrait, 834 00:52:17,931 --> 00:52:21,142 and I had these extensions in my hair, so it was this very long hair. 835 00:52:21,142 --> 00:52:23,812 And we did, like, a portrait kind of, you know, 836 00:52:23,812 --> 00:52:27,691 where I was like this, kind of the classic covering yourself. 837 00:52:27,691 --> 00:52:29,985 My arms went down a little bit lower, a little bit lower. 838 00:52:29,985 --> 00:52:32,279 "Could you put your arms down a little bit lower, a little bit lower?" 839 00:52:33,238 --> 00:52:35,991 And I remember being, like, self-conscious, 840 00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:38,451 but I didn't feel necessarily bad. 841 00:52:38,451 --> 00:52:40,662 I felt-- I felt good from that shoot. 842 00:52:40,662 --> 00:52:43,456 I felt pretty in that moment. 843 00:52:43,456 --> 00:52:45,834 Patrick didn't give me the creeps, per se, 844 00:52:45,834 --> 00:52:47,502 but I do remember being like, 845 00:52:47,502 --> 00:52:50,714 "Oh, my gosh! I'm not so supposed to be-- I shouldn't be doing this." 846 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,221 Eventually, that image came out on the cover of Photo magazine, 847 00:52:58,221 --> 00:53:00,181 which is not like huge circulation or anything like that, 848 00:53:00,181 --> 00:53:02,642 but it was like, "Oh, gosh," 849 00:53:02,642 --> 00:53:04,519 because I don't know what I thought it was for, 850 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:06,646 but I definitely didn't think it was for a cover of a magazine. 851 00:53:07,939 --> 00:53:12,319 I don't think if there was any, like, age that you were supposed to be 852 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:13,945 in order to have a nude picture. 853 00:53:13,945 --> 00:53:17,115 Like, I don't think there was anybody monitoring or regulating any of that. 854 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:23,580 I can't say that I was so savvy the whole time, 855 00:53:23,580 --> 00:53:28,126 but I know my mom would say much later that, 856 00:53:28,126 --> 00:53:30,921 "Oh," you know, "you were always gonna be fine. 857 00:53:30,921 --> 00:53:33,256 I knew you had your head on your shoulders, 858 00:53:33,256 --> 00:53:35,133 and, you know, you were gonna be fine." 859 00:53:35,133 --> 00:53:39,387 But I don't know that there was every guarantee that I was gonna be fine. 860 00:53:39,387 --> 00:53:42,891 It was just kind of, you know... "Go." 861 00:53:42,891 --> 00:53:44,643 [laughs] "Good luck." 862 00:53:49,314 --> 00:53:52,192 [indistinct, overlapping female voices] 863 00:53:52,192 --> 00:53:56,279 [man] Cindy Crawford is now the most recognizable and marketable celebrity. 864 00:53:56,279 --> 00:53:58,949 A man would get a pat on the back and say, like, "Job well done." 865 00:53:58,949 --> 00:54:02,577 [Larry King] "I won't get out of bed for less than ten-thousand dollars a day." 866 00:54:03,286 --> 00:54:05,330 It's half the game, really. [laughs] 867 00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:06,706 [excited crowd chatter] 868 00:54:06,706 --> 00:54:10,001 One day will come when it's over. 869 00:54:11,836 --> 00:54:14,506 [end music playing]